Is It Once Saved Always Saved? Or Whoever Endures Faithfully After Salvation Is Saved?
Author’s Notes: This book is a made up Talk Show that discusses the above topics which are the most asked questions on any Christian Talk Shows. Since 90% or more of all Christians believe in OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) we will have 3 people on the Talk Show panel: Pastor Eternal Security, Pastor Never Repent, Reverend Karma Universe who always disagrees with Reverend Loose Cannons because he is against OSAS. After Reverend Loose Cannons finishes speaking the rest of the panel verbally beats up on him because they despise him.
On this Talk Show: The deck is purposely stacked against Reverend Loose Cannons to reflect how most people who call themselves Believers or Christians feel about anyone who disagree with their OSAS feelings and/or Universalism Salvation beliefs. The author of this book takes no personal sides with any of these made up created talk show people. I have done massive exhaustive research over the years on these different biblical views and the Reader can decide for themselves who they want to believe or disbelieve.
Introducing the Guests on this Talk Show:
Reverend Loose Cannons: He has been a Pastor for a long time and is against OSAS and Universalism. He believes the Bible literally and has been in hundreds of debates against OSAS teaching etc. He is very outspoken and lives up to his name. He claims that 90% of all Christians disagree with him and wish he would either go into a hole and die or shut up.
Pastor Eternal Security: He is a proud Baptist preacher who believes that all a person has to do get saved is just Believe in Jesus and his death and resurrection or say a salvation sample prayer on a biblical tract and even if they later on never repent of any of their sins they are still eternally saved. He loathes Reverend Loose Cannons and always opposes him no matter what he says.
Pastor Never Repent: He is a wealthy international TV evangelist who has made millions of dollars off of his sermons, and books which always talk about OSAS and how great every Believer is no matter how much they sin. He preaches that a Christian never has to repent for any sins past, present, or future, and that if a Believer is an adulterer, fornicator, liar, or kills themselves or someone else it doesn’t matter they are eternally sealed for eternity and will go to Heaven. He can’t stand Reverend Loose Cannons.
Pastor Karma-Universe: She is a very wealthy woman who believes in Universalism that all religions lead to God and every person on the earth goes to Heaven and there is no hell. God is known as the Universe and controls everybody’s karma. She hates Reverend Loose Cannons.
The Talk Show Begins
Reverend Loose Cannons: Since a person has Free Will to come to God through Jesus Christ and get saved, they also have free will to leave or sin against God and never repent or quit sinning and can leave God permanently anytime they want to. It’s free choices and free will to come to God and free choices and free will to leave God.
Adam and Eve had Free Will and decided not to obey God and they were taken out of the Garden of Eden. The devil and one third of the Angels in Heaven were made perfect but still had free will. They decided to disobey God and try to overthrow him and were cast out of Heaven and turned into cruel wicked evil spirits eternally separated from God and tortured constantly. God doesn’t force any Believers/Christians/saints to obey him or disobey him or stay with him or leave him. That’s a person’s own choices–with their spirit, soul, and body.
The great Apostle Paul said in Philippians 2:12 “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, Work Out your Own Salvation–with fear and trembling.” He said this because a person can Lose their salvation by Not Obeying and/or Not Repenting of their sins.
He also said in 1 Corinthians 9:27 “But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a Castaway.” A Castaway refers to when Jesus Christ said about the end of the world and God’s Judgment: That if a man brought up a net with good and bad eating fish in it. He keeps the good eating fish and then–Castaway–or throws away–the bad eating fish. In the same way Jesus said at the end of the world–God keeps the wheat, but discards and burns up the tares or weeds.
Pastor Eternal Security: I completely disagree with you Reverend Loose Cannons. You are misinterpreting scriptures. Believers are saved by Grace. Not by a works salvation. Not of yourself, Jesus plus nothing saves you. It’s the finished work on the Cross by Jesus that saves. Jesus said in John chapter 10:28-30 “No one can pluck a Believer out of my fathers hand.” Ephesians 1:13 says “A Believer is eternally sealed with the Holy Ghost.” A person who falls away was never saved to begin with. Its predestination the saints will persevere.
Pastor Never Repent: Reverend Loose Cannon you and anyone else who ignorantly believes like you are completely wrong with your Works Salvation. It’s about Mother Grace and Jesus’s finished work on the cross that saves anyone who believes in it. They don’t have to repent of anything ever because Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross settles the forgiveness of sins forever for a Believer. Repentance is so stupid and should be abolished from all biblical teachings. No one can earn or keep their salvation through any kinds of works.
God loves a Believer the same when they were a sinner and anytime they sin and don’t repent or turn from their sins. The prodigal son in the Bible was always his father’s child and always had his last name. And he was always saved even when he left his father and sinned against him. He didn’t have to repent or be sorry for his sinful ways and rebellion to become again his father’s son. He was always his father’s son no matter what. Just like my children and yours they will always have our last names and no matter what they will always be our children.
Pastor Karma-Universe: Reverend Loose Cannons you are unkind, unloving and maybe the most unenlightened person I have ever met. Everybody makes it into Heaven. If they follow any religion or don’t have a religion but have Good Karma. God or the Universe will save them into Heaven. If a person has bad karma they may have many reincarnations or suffer a while after dying but eventually they make it into God’s or the Universe’s Heaven whatever that is. Lots of people have died and after they went through a tunnel of light they met God or Jesus and were told they were always loved and welcomed into Heaven. All Hindus, Buddhists, Christian Scientists, believe all peoples after dying either go to Heaven right away or go there eventually depending on how the Universe judges their good or bad karma.
Reverend Loose Cannons: I don’t believe every person can be Saved for Eternity by repeating a corporate prayer at an alter call. Or reading and repeating a sample prayer from a tract and then they are eternally sealed–No matter how much they constantly sin and Never Repent or turn from their sins. I don’t believe a one time decision settles it forever and that’s it no matter what a person does afterwards walking in darkness. No one can take a person’s salvation from them but any saved person can walk away from
Jesus Christ and not serve him anymore or remain in a Lukewarm state.
Pastor Eternal Security: The Bible teaches that people are inherently sinful and that a sinful nature is a part of all of us Romans 3:10. This means that even after being saved, every single Believer is going to sin from time to time. Thinking that we can live a perfect, sinless life after our salvation is not only unscriptural, but arrogant. If we are not eternally secure, this sinning will cause us to lose our salvation, but how much sin is too much?
There is no scriptural “yardstick” given to tell us how many or what kind of sins are enough to void our salvation. Without Eternal Security, the Bible would describe a situation where Christianity is a perpetual game of Russian Roulette; a life in which condemnation and salvation alternate every time we sin and confess, and we never know if we’re saved. Or if we are not saved.
Pastor Never Repent: Jesus Christ set the bar for Holiness at a level all Christians are called to aspire to, but none can ever fully live up to, because of our sin nature. Just as the law of Moses was meant, in part, to demonstrate to Israel how impossible it was for mortal people to obtain the moral perfection of God, the standards of Christ also reminds us of how shallow our best efforts at goodness really are.
Thankfully, God has always provided a way for us to be forgiven for our shortcomings. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross served the same purpose for all mankind that the sacrificial lambs did for specific families before His ministry. Christ was a sinless, blameless substitute for our sins. The Bible clearly tells us what Christ’s moral expectations are for us. If we lost our salvation every time we fell short of those ideals, then none of us would be saved for more than a few minutes at a time. If that were true, what purpose was there in His death?
Reverend Loose Cannons: In Hebrews 6:4-8 it says “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the Heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away to renew them again to Repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers,it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
This passage clearly shows that a Believer who walked with the Holy Ghost and God, and understood the word of God willfully went into disobedience and sin. And has no plans to get out of the darkness and back into the Light and obedience to God.
Romans 11:20-22 “You stand by Faith. Do not be haughty, but Fear. 21 For if God did Not Spare the natural branches/Jews, He may not spare you either. 22Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you Continue in his goodness–Otherwise you also will be Cut Off.
In John 15 scripture shows that a Christian–Abiding in the Vine as a Branch–is held and alive in Christ. But it is contingent upon their Staying–in the Vine. It says IF they continue in the Faith. IF they should choose to never repent of their sins and Never get back/abide again in the vine they are Cut-Off just like the Jews were on many occasions in the Old Testament—when they would go and serve other gods and never repent and God would cut them off.
2nd Peter 2:20-22–For if, after they have escaped the pollution/sins of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are Again Entangled in sinning and Overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to their own vomit,” and, “a pig, having been washed, to returning to wallowing in the mud and mire.”
1 John 1:5-10 “This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all. IF we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness–we Lie and do not practice/live the truth. But IF we Walk in the Light as He is in the Light, we have Fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son–cleanses us from all sin.”
If you reverse the 7th verse it reads “IF we Don’t walk in the light of Christ–we don’t have Fellowship with Jesus–and the blood of Jesus Christ Doesn’t cleanse us from all sin.
Pastor Eternal Security: Critics of the “Once Saved, Always Saved” doctrine claim that it gives Christians a License to Sin. They presume that those who believe in eternal security intend to accept salvation, and then continue to willingly sin. This is inaccurate, because anyone who has been truly saved is a new creature in Christ, has the conviction of the Holy Spirit and now wants to live for Christ. Someone who continues to willingly and blatantly live in sin has not truly accepted Christ. While this false belief of a license to sin may be held by some, it is not a part of the teachings of any true Christian church. A person who willingly, humbly, repents of sin and turns towards the cross, trusting Christ as their Savior, will be saved. That salvation is once and for all, eternal, and se cure. Those who truly trust in Christ are saved once, and saved always.
Pastor Never Repent: “The gift of God is eternal life” Rom. 6:23. How can Eternal Life be anything else but eternal? It cannot be lost, forfeited, or sinned away, for “the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable” Rom. 11:29.
He who gave eternal life has pledged His word not to recall it. A Christian, when he sins, does not forfeit the life he has, but he mars the enjoyment of it. Eternal life is God’s free gift; it is unfettered by conditions and never withdrawn.
“Have everlasting life” is the Lord’s repeated declaration to all who believe on His name. And this “life is hidden with Christ in God. How then can it be lost? It is not in our hands to keep or to lose. Our “life is in His Son. “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you know that you have eternal life” 1 John 5:13.
Reverend Loose Cannons: The OSAS doctrine wasn’t preached or taught until the Calvinism teachings started to get popular about 150 years ago with OSAS champion Charles Spurgeon. Most Baptists and OSAS Believers are Charles Spurgeon disciples and his quotes are more important to them than the Word of God. If you read the words of Jesus and of the early church in the book of Acts: OSAS is never mentioned. The original disciples and church converts were taught to be on guard and take heed that they don’t continue in sin. Calvinism teaches that God determines and predesignates. That there is No free will to get saved or leave God’s mercy or presence. It’s Irresistible Grace the OSAS folks exclaim. Jesus’s sacrifice is only for those predestined or chosen.
If you give a new convert/Believer a Bible and they read it regularly, everyone of them believes they can fall away–and if they don’t quit willful sinning–they will be cut off from God and go to Hell. It is only when they are taught the doctrine of Calvinism and OSAS and they want to keep sinning–that they embrace OSAS.
Galatians 5:4 “You have become separated from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.” A person who follows the old law of Leviticus after they are saved by Grace has fallen from the original Grace that saved them. A Believer can’t Fall from Grace if they never had it to begin with. This shows that a person can choose to leave grace and embrace legalism or keeping the old Jewish laws and thus forfeit the original Grace of God given to them.
Hebrews 3:12-14 “Beware, saints, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in Departing–from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ IF–we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast
to the End.” This passage shows a Believer after being saved–can have an evil heart of unbelief and choose to Willfully Sin and Never Repent and leave Jesus. –IF we stay or abide in the Lord–and Endure to the end of our lives on earth–we will remain saved.
Pastor Eternal Security: Jesus Christ said those that Believe in him “They shall never perish.” This brief statement of four words is a gold mine. The word “Never” in the Greek language is the strongest, doubly-emphatic word possible. It’s stronger than saying “never, never” in English. He declares the sheep shall never perish, knowing well their continual proneness to wander and their timidity and weakness to the slightest apparent danger. Nevertheless in John 5:24, Jesus who endured the judgment of God for them, assures them that they shall never come into judgment.
He also said–“Neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.” John chapter 10. How safe the sheep are! No enemy can reach them there in His hand. Nor is it the good sheep alone which are grasped by and held in the secure hand of their omnipotent Savior–all the sheep are equally maintained by divine power; all are equally safe. He will hold all his sheep steadfast. “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all” (John 10:29). Believers are the Father’s gift to the Son, and this very fact in itself insures the resurrection of every one given to the Son.
Pastor Never Repent: The apostle Paul was a firm Believer in God’s everlasting sal vation. “I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day” 2 Timothy 1:12.
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus” Romans 8:1, and the chapter closes with the equally emphatic declaration of no separation “from the love of God” 8:39.
The sins a child of God commits must come under God’s governmental chastening in this life, but they cannot come into God’s penal judgment when the world is condemned. The distinction between God’s chastening and God’s eternal judgment is clearly made in 1 Corinthians 11:32: “When we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.” But Revelation 20:11-15 refers to God’s eternal judg ment of wicked unbelievers.
Reverend Loose Cannons: A person who becomes born-again and saved has their names written in the Book of Life. OSAS disciples say no one’s name can ever be taken out or blotted out of this Book of Life no matter what. In Exodus 32:31-33 Moses talking to God says,“Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, Blot me out of Your book which You have written.”And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has Sinned against Me, I will Blot them out of My Book. God states that a person who is
saved and has their name written in his Book of Life can have it erased or blotted out if they Don’t Repent and stop Willfully Sinning against him.
In Revelation 3:5—Jesus talking to the Churches says, “Whoever overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not Blot Out their Name from the Book of Life; but I will confess their name before My Father and before His Angels.” This verse shows that a saved person has to overcome sin in their lives otherwise if they refuse to repent and overcome the sin(s) they know are wrong their name can be erased or Blotted Out from the Book of Life.
Pastor Eternal Security: The Lord’s own hand shut Noah and his family in the Ark Gen. 7:16, which was made judgment-proof–without and within. God Himself secured the door. None could enter, and none could get out. “The Lord shut him in.” God took charge of the door-safety-while Noah looked out of the window above.
Noah occupied himself at the window which was at the top and through which he could gaze up into Heaven. His safety was founded on God who “shut him in.” Is not the ap plication to us simple? Have we not entered the Door? John 10:9. Are not we quickened, raised and seated in the Heavenlies? The hand of God has set us there.
Pastor Never Repent: A Believer may, go down into terrible depths of evil, and, for the time being, wreck present happiness and usefulness, as Lot did in Sodom. But there is one thing they cannot do. They cannot, like Judas, absolutely give up Christ. How many weak, yet true Believers needlessly worry about the fear of being lost, citing the sin of Judas and his awful end. But reasoning as to Judas, satan, Angels and Adam fall ing, overlook the difference made by the “eternal redemption” that is in Christ Jesus for the Believer Rom. 8:34.
Reverend Loose Cannons: Colossians 1:21-23 “And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight IF indeed you Continue in the Faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under Heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. ”Notice it says—If you Continue in the Faith and are Not Moved Away. A Believer Must–stay in the Faith. Not turning back. Remember Lot’s wife. It’s all about pressing in and never giving up until you are done with your sojourn on this earth.
In the parable of the 10 Virgins/Mathew 25–it says–“And while the Foolish Virgins went to buy–the Bridegroom came, and those 5 Wise virgins who were Ready–went in with Jesus Christ to the wedding; and then the door was shut.
Afterward the other 5 Foolish Virgins who were Not Ready came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you. Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.”
All 10 virgins were saved on their way to Heaven and had oil or eternal life in them to begin with but the foolish virgins had no oil when Jesus the bridegroom came back so they couldn’t be allowed into Heaven or the marriage supper of the lamb/Jesus Christ.
The Bible says, Watch and pray and be Ready Always for Jesus Christ may come when you are not ready such as with the case of the 5 foolish virgins of the parable.
1John 5:4 For this is the Love of God, that we keep His commandments. And Christ’s commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God Overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world even our Faith. Who is the person who overcomes the world, but those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God? In Revelations chapters 2 and 3 there are mind-boggling rewards for Overcoming the worldly system, the devil, and our fleshly lusts and sinful desires. But a person who won’t Endure until the end of their life and be an Overcomer will get their name blotted out from the Book of Life.
Pastor Eternal Security: An Apostate is one who professes to believe and receives all the outward privileges of Christianity, yet with no divine work in their soul, and so later they give up Christ. Thus Judas, an apostate, sold his Master, but Peter, a Backslid er, temporarily denied his Master.
An Apostate has “tasted” of the Heavenly gift and rejects it, having neither faith nor life. A true Believer is one who has “tasted,” but more also–he goes on to “eat the flesh, and drink the blood of the Son of man”. One may “taste” and perish Heb. 6, but to “eat” is to “live for ever.”
Judas sinned willfully by rejecting the Savior and thus made it manifest that he would incur the awful judgment recorded in Hebrews 10:26-29, a judgment which cannot pos sibly overtake the weakest Believer. He had shared in that external sanctification which includes all who outwardly separate from Judaism and Paganism to embrace Christiani ty, the only soul-saving system which reveals a Savior. To “sin willfully” is to deliberate ly, with heart and mind, give up Christ and Christianity completely. That, no child of God could or would do 1 John 2:19.
Pastor Never Repent: If an unredeemed person claimed to be a Christian but delib erately renounces Christ for Muhammad, the Bible for the Qur’an or Christianity for Atheism, they embrace a system without a Savior, without a sacrifice and without a
Heaven. So there is nothing before them but a “certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation” Heb. 10:27. The solemn warnings contained in Hebrews chapters 6 and 10 refer to mere profession, to giving up Christianity to go back to Judaism and do not at all assume that the persons referred to were ever true children of God. See the contrast in chapters 6:9 and 10:39 of Hebrews.
“The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin” and makes us “whiter than snow”. “Your sins are forgiven”, “blotted out”, “put away”, “as far as the east is from the west”, “into the depths of the sea” and those sins He “will not remember”. “Completely clean”, “justified from all things”, and “perfected forever” Heb. 10:14.
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus” Rom. 8:1. “Complete in Him”, “members of His body”, “preserved in Jesus Christ”, “and shall not come into judgment” John 5:24, “shall never perish” (John 10:28).
“Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed”.
Pastor Eternal Security: Enduring until the end–only applies to Believers in the Great Tribulation who are saved after the Rapture of the Church. In Ephesians 1:13 “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were Sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Believers are sealed for eternity by the Holy Ghost and nothing can break that sealing. Christians get the Holy Ghost upon being saved and that guarantees their salvation forever.
2 Timiothy 2:13 “If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.” This proves that even if a Believer is in sin and unfaithful to the Lord, Jesus will never forsake them. Hebrews 13:5 “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” God and Jesus are love and they would never put their children through a great tribulation, wrath, or in hell for not repenting of some sin.
Reverend Loose Cannons: Peter denied Jesus 3 times but then wept and Repented, and because he Repented. He was forgiven and completely restored back in the vine and in the light and life.
1st Timothy 4:1 “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons.” In these last days because of OSAS and Lukewarmness some people who were saved will depart from Christ.
2 Chronicles 15:2 “The LORD is with you while you are with Him. If you seek Him, He
will be found by you; but if you forsake Him–He will forsake you.” Truer words were never spoken.
“Let God be true and Jesus and the Word of God—and everyone else a liar—that you might be justified in your sayings and might overcome when you are judged.” Romans 3:4 If the Bible says if we forsake God and don’t want to repent and come back to him then he will leave us. We need to love God but we also need to Fear him for he is holy and righteous. And he has Repeatably Warned Us–not to leave him and remain in darkness or separate from him.
Most Believers say anyone is Saved for eternity by just saying the prayer of salvation or one from a tract and then they are eternally sealed no matter what sins or bad things repeatably they do–and never repent and turn from. A one time decision settles it forever.
Pastor Never Repent: Many a Believer has followed in the footsteps of Peter, the backslider, but no true child of God has ever gone, nor can go in the way of Judas, the apostate. Backsliding is not renouncing Christianity, but failing in that holy separateness of walk which God expects from His children. Peter was a backslider, and one for whom the Lord prayed, and on whom the Lord looked upon lovingly. “Then Peter went out and wept bitterly” Luke 22:62.
Provision is made in the advocacy of Christ with the Father for the restoration of back sliders 1 John 2:1. It is of Apostates that the sacred writer says, “It is impossible. . .if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance” Heb. 6:4-6. Judas was an apostate and so the word he had heard and received had “no root” in him. He was a mere profes sor, not a saved man, nor quickened of the Holy Ghost.
Pastor Eternal Security: “No one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” We are in the hand of the Son John 10:28, and in the hand of the Father (v. 29). “Kept by the power of God” 1 Pet. 1:5. Our eternal security is in other and more powerful hands than our own. Then comes the climax to this marvelous statement about our present and eternal safety: “I and My Father are one” (v. 30): one in divine nature and one in purpose to keep the blood-bought sheep.
Reverend Loose Cannon: Mathew 10:22 “And you will be hated by all peoples for My name’s sake. But whoever Endures to the End will be Saved.” This applies to all Christians from the day Jesus said it until the end of time. We are to keep pressing in and Enduring and Overcoming until the Lord takes up home. Not be like the Foolish virgins who Fell Away and were Not Ready when the Lord came to judge them.
The devil used OSAS tactics with Adam and Eve to get them to eat the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Good and Evil. He got them to Not fear and obey God by saying “Has God said?” and “Nothing will happen bad to you for eating the fruit” “You’ll be like God.” It the same today with the doctrine of OSAS. And 90% of all church peoples believe it.
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what they have done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade people.” We try to persuade men not to fall away from the Lord and do bad/sinning works, but instead do good works and get Rewards in Heaven.
1 Peter 4:17-18 “For the time has come for Judgment to Begin at the House of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the Gospel of God? Now, If the righteous/saints are scarcely/barely Saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
–It is Better to Fear God and stay with Him then–Not Fear God and go away from Him.
OSAS teachers and preachers always say, There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. But they never quote the rest of the verse of Romans 8:1. The rest of the verse says “Who walk Not after the flesh/sinning–but after the Spirit/obeying God.” There is No Condemnation–to those Saints who quit willfully sinning–and Obey/love God–instead of Sinning.
Pastor Never Repent: Our attempts at good deeds will never earn us a place in Heaven. We cannot make up for our past, present, or future sins by doing good works. A saved Believer will, as a natural product of their faith, shun sin and practice good works. If “Once Saved, Always Saved” is not true, then by necessity we are saved both by our faith and our works. If we can do sinful things, or not do good things and lose our secu rity, then our good deeds are a part of our salvation. This concept is contradictory to Scripture. It also creates an unlivable scenario where we have to try to do enough good to outweigh our sinful natures. The doctrine of “Eternal Security” goes hand in hand with the doctrine of “Saved By Faith Alone.” To deny eternal security is to endorse a “Faith Plus Works” salvation.
Pastor Eternal Security: According to the Bible, if we could lose our salvation, then it would be lost forever, because Christ only died once. Hebrews 6:4-6 is an often misunderstood passage, which strongly supports the doctrine of eternal security in two ways: it implies that Christ’s sacrifice must be sufficient for all sins, and states that if it were possible for a person to lose their salvation, it would be forever lost. According to
this passage, if a person could do something that cost them their salvation (which they cannot), then it would be “impossible” for them to be re-redeemed.
Reverend Loose Cannons: Some Christians believe we are Being Saved while here alive on the earth, and then we die and go to Heaven. And then–we are Eternally Saved and in Heaven–we can say “Once Saved, Always Saved”. But we can’t say it while here on he earth we have to Overcome and Stay Saved while sojourning this earth. OSAS calls this Works-Salvation.
Philippians 6 says–”Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.” This is true IF–you Endure until the end of your life on the earth still loving and serving God. God won’t force someone to obey and abide in Him. If someone doesn’t stay/abide in Him then he doesn’t complete the work of His that has begun in them. OSAS disciples call this Works Salvation.
“Do Not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but whoever does the will of God–abides forever.” 1 John 2:16 The person who gets saved must do the will of God and not the lusts of this world’s system to stay or remain saved. OSAS calls this Works-Salvation.
OSAS preachers and teachers always say anything you do good is a works salvation and not by faith only or by just Believing Only one time. And that is all it takes to get saved or stay saved. James 1:22 says “Faith without works is dead. I will show you my Faith by My Works.” So anyone who proves their Faith in Christ by doing Good Works–has a works salvation and isn’t saved–according to OSAS teachings.
Jesus Christ said–to do Good Works that your Father in Heaven may be glorified. Math ew 5:16 He said to lay up treasures in Heaven Mathew 6:19-21 by witnessing, and do ing good works for people. Jesus said to do works salvation by also admonishing his fol lowers to do unselfish works to men and women, Mark 9:41 “For whosoever shall give
you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, they shall not lose their reward.” OSAS says no obedience to God or good works is needed to stay saved. Once you got saved you received Fire-Insurance from Hell and are God’s child forever no matter what.
OSAS has a different meaning of the word Believe. To them the word Believe simply means mental and spiritual assent that Jesus died for their sins and rose from the grave.
Just believe that and you are eternally sealed for Heaven and no one can pluck you from God’s hand.
But, the real Biblical meaning of the word “Believe” involves commitment to God’s Will for one’s entire life. Placing your trust in God completely. Taking God at his word. Will ing to suffer ridicule, rejection, and death for your belief. As one martyr said “The only thing a person really Believes is what they will live for, suffer hurt, pain, and Death/mar tyrdom for.”
The word “Believe” in Greek is faith, faithfulness, trust, and rely on completely. Act purposely by Obeying God because of what you Believe about Him.
The devils Believe in God and salvation and tremble but it doesn’t do them any good. Mental Assent to a tract sample prayer or repeating a corporate prayer doesn’t do it. I have seen 40-50 people come forward to get saved and say a corporate prayer and 3 months later maybe 5-10 people are still following Jesus. 1 year later maybe 2-5 people of them are still serving Jesus Christ. OSAS disciples will say those that fell away– either they were never saved to begin with or they all are still saved.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will Inherit the Kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”
Ephesians 5:5-7 “For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any Inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.”
Revelation 21:7-8 “Whoever Overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be their God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, [unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all Liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
These verses clearly show that after getting sanctified if a Believer becomes a homosexual, thief, etc. and doesn’t Repent of these sins they don’t inherit the Kingdom of God. OSAS calls that a works-salvation.
Pastor Karma-Universe: You are all wrong about Heaven, hell, and eternity. Universalism is the real truth. Everybody makes it into Heaven no matter what they believe in or do. There either is no hell or anyone who goes there gets disciplined and let
out and into Heaven.
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.
1 Timothy 4:10-11 God is the Savior of all peoples therefore all humans are saved.
For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to recon cile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in Heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. Colossians 1:20. Jesus through is blood and dying on the cross has reconciled all peoples to himself.. His blood gives all peoples peace with God and Heaven forever.
Reverend Loose Cannons:
The belief that everybody goes to Heaven is called Universal Reconciliation, Universalism, and Universal Salvation, There may be some Punishment after death but no eternal torture and separation from God and Heaven. Universalism has been around for a long time. There are different versions of it.
Universal Salvation is what, As Sylvia Browne the psychic always said on The Montel Williams show when asked about people going to Heaven “Montel–Everybody makes it in to Heaven”. She and many others have said they had a vision or near-death experience and then wrote books and went on talk shows to talk about them. A neurosurgeon wrote a best-selling book about his near death experience and says he saw a great light in a tunnel and when he encountered a great white light a voice and feelings told him that God was all loving and everybody is loved and goes to Heaven with God forever. The Shack Book and movie, Christian Scientists, new-agers, and people such as Opray Winfrey all proclaim some version of Universalism. The LGBT and most gays believe in Universalism such as at Metropolitan Community Churches, They say God made me gay and he loves me just the way I am.
Pastor Never Repent: All Christians and Believers are saved forever no matter what. Their sins are forgiven past, present, and future. We are in the Father’s hand and no one or nothing can pluck us out of his hand!
Pastor Eternal Security: Us Believers are eternally sealed by the Holy Spirit and God forever even if we sin and turn our backs on him and never repent. The prodigal son was always his Father’s son even when he willfully sinned and rebelled.
Reverend Loose Cannons:
There is not one verse in the Bible that says eternal life and blessings are to an unrepentant rebel Christian or Believer who is living in willful persistent sin, denying the Lord in an ongoing hardened way.
Revelation 20:11-15 “Then I saw a great White Throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the Heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their Works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to their Works. 14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone Not found written in the Book of Life–was cast into the Lake of Fire.
Anyone who claims they are a Christian or Believer and knowingly lives in Willful Habitual Sins that will send them to hell; and/or is Afraid to witness to anyone and let them know they are a Christian because they are–Ashamed of Jesus Chris–should Repent Now before they die and they face God and Jesus Christ and then
–they Can’t Repent.
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